I've seen a lot of tattoo blogs flipping shit because a person will have tattoos on their hands, but not full sleeves. Mod opinions on hand tattoos sans full sleeves? Does it matter, is it annoying or bad?
It’s not annoying or bad, but, a good tattoo artist may question a person who wants a hand (or facial) tattoo if they are otherwise very lightly modded. It’s been a few times I’ve seen people get a slogan/words tattooed across their knuckles whilst not heavily modded, or with a job that would allow that, and have ended up down the creek without a paddle.
It’s not that the artist will try and dissuade the customer from getting them done, but you really need to think before getting a very visible tattoo when lightly modified. It’s more a ‘making sure they’ve thought that they really want it and what impact it could have on their lives’ rather than it’s annoying or whatnot.
It doesn’t annoy me, nor is it bad, and it doesn’t really matter to anyone but the client in question, but it can really hinder future prospects with regards to jobs (I don’t want to sound like a whiny whiny FINK ABOT UR FUTUREEEE person, but with facial/hand tattoos, it’s important) and other aspects.
At the end of the day, if the client has thought about all the possibilities and what the modification could mean for them in the future, a good artist will tattoo them. They’re just trying to help :3
I just uploaded this… I figured it could help you out a bit when looking for specific information or when people are looking for advice on stretching. I have highlighted parts that are very important, or things that are ignored (stretching too fast, blowouts, etc).
So, out of curiosity, how do you feel about tattoo conventions ? World renowned body modification artists like Brian Decker along with famous tattoo and piercing artists attend and work for days. Technically, that is no different than an “at home” environment considering nothing is sterilized or autoclaves other than the supplies they bring.
Working at a convention is nothing like working from home. All artists performing have to bring their own autoclave and ultrasonic. Portable or otherwise, they still have to be brought. An artist will bring all the supplies they need and more, to ensure they can provide the best experience to any customer or client that comes their way.
The area an artist is working in will not be carpeted. It will have a lino or other hard floor that will be cleaned with a medical grade cleaner after anyone other than the artists working have stepped into their sterile area. There will be a supply of running water in the convention so all artists can provide thorough cleanliness to the clients. All other surfaces will be scrubbed down with a hibiscrub type cleaner or equivalent.
The artist will be as clean as they are in their own studio. An artist’s space at a convention becomes their studio, and they will treat it with the respect and cleanliness it deserves.
How is this the same as an ‘At Home’ environment? Would the world heavyweights in the body modification world endorse something as dangerous as that? No, of course they wouldn’t. The best artists in the world perform at conventions for good reason, because it’s a fun and friendly environment to show off your work, make friends and see new innovative techniques. If it was the same as an ‘at home’ situation, none of that would happen, and they wouldn’t be endorsed by the best body modifiers on the planet.
Pierced my ears, stretched them to 00s back down then to 4s, pierced my septum, and my lip a total of 4 times. Nothing bad happened to me. Just shows you have to know what you are doing then again my friend pierced her own tongue soooo like wtf broski keep your shit clean and it wont get infected.
And i take it by clean you mean you have a class B/A autoclave in your studio which is regularly disinfected? No. You probably don’t.
This is my friend, Emily. I love her to death, but I wish she would listen to me more. These are her hip piercings, she got them done at Ink Link’s in Gastonia, NC. They used to be AMAZING, but they hired new workers that obviously don’t know what they’re doing.
What’s awful about this; They used flexible bars.
What’s even worse; She replaced them with straight bars.
Yes, they did reject. She had to take them out, and they left an AWFUL scar…
Bet you’ve already seen a bunch of these, but here is yet another post about the reasons why letting someone pierce you with a piercing gun is one of the worst options you can go for.
This is my ear. See the bump, there? You guessed it, I got a cartilage piercing when I was about 15 years old. 6 years later, I still have this. And this is no ordinary bump, that hole thing there is rock solid. It feels like bone.
My older sister and I went to the same place. (Yes it was a Claire’s at a mall…. Never again. Just… never again). The same thing happened to her, only hers was a lot worse and she recently had to get hers surgically removed.
I learned my lesson the hard way, but PLEASE don’t make the same mistakes. Listen to the wise words of others I didn’t have when I was young and starting out.
Firstly and most importantly there is no way to sterilise a piercing gunas they are not made of material suitable to be put through an autoclave. An autoclave is the standard sterilisation device used by medical professionals, piercers and scientists which heats to 120-134c, destroying bacteria and blood borne pathogens such as Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C and HIV using steam heated under pressure. The alcoholic wipes used to clean the gun simply remove certain types of surface bacteria and dirt and the microscopic back-spray of tissue and other debris caused by the high velocity action of the gun often cannot be seen by the naked eye. This leaves both the client and the piercer at risk of serious infection as the same gun will be used repeatedly - only the carriage with earrings in it is disposable and sterile.
The skills learned to become a body piercer include human anatomy, basic first aid, detailed aftercare procedures, British piercing law, jewellery types, lengths, piercing placement and hygiene control and usually take a year or more of supervised training to master. Good Body piercers are also vaccinated against Hepatitis B and Tetanus. The training for a shop assistant using an ear piercing gun is as little as 30mins and only usually as much as a 3 day long course at the local college. They cover barely a fraction of what a professional piercer will learn and many of them will not have pierced a real person before they start work. This means if something goes wrong they often have no idea how to deal with it and cannot help you if you have trouble healing. A good body piercer, on the other hand, will have a good knowledge of piercing problems and be happy to hear and address your concerns.
It may sound obvious to say it but; everyone’s body is different! Some people have curled cartilage at the top of their ears, small noses or thick ear lobes and body piercer’s can use a calliper called a Vernier Gauge to measure body parts to ensure that the selected jewellery is going to be the right for that person! The studs on ear piercing guns are all the same size.This often leads to the jewellery embedding in the back of the ear as the pressure from the swelling tissue on a bar too short causes the flat backed butterfly clasp to dig into the soft flesh and often the only way to remedy this is to have it cut back out.
The earrings can also irritate the side of the face as they have small points on the end to aid in the ‘piercing’ which can feel quite sharp and dig in to the soft tissue behind the ear. The butterfly backs keeping the earrings in place also trap dirt and dead tissue and can be very difficult to clean, (or to remove as they go on very tight!) complicating piercing healing time bygiving bacteria a place to collect and breed causing infection - exceptionally dangerous in cartilage piercings where trapped infections can cause irreversible ear collapse.
The butterfly back earrings are also usually made from substandard or unsuitable materials- even 24k gold is not suitable for you to be pierced with as it doesn’t hold its shape well and is usually only gold plating over a cheap alloy. This plating can wear away and expose you to the poor metal beneath– causing allergic reactions. Ideally you should be pierced with Titanium (grade 5 or 23) or PTFE only.
Guns don’t, as most people think, use a sharp edge to make the piercing hole; they actually fire a blunt earring through the flesh. This is a great shock to the body as the stud forcefully tears through the skin bruising the flesh and making a jagged shaped hole, rather than the nice smooth crescent shape left by a needle. This means the healing process is a lot more complicated for the body to begin and the piercing feels much more painful due to the force damaging the tissue so much. The guns are also highly inaccurate because of this firing method – there is a ‘bounce’ back effect and the large surface area of the gun ‘nozzle’ makes it hard to see where the gun actually is in relation to the marking – this leaves many people with mismatched piercings as the placement will never be as exact as it can be with a needle!
Finally ear piercing guns were designed to pierce the soft and more forgiving tissue of cows ears (they were originally cattle ear taggers) and were not made to be piercing any body part other than human ear lobes – especially not the thicker and more solid ear cartilage. Massive complications can come from piercing other body parts with the gunas not only will the stud not be long enough for other body parts but also not ‘thick’ enough causing what is known as the ‘cheese-wire effect’ (where the thin stud slices through skin like a cheese wire would) eventually forcing the piercing out of the skin altogether and causing a lot of scarring in the process.
When fired through cartilage the stress placed on the flesh by these studs causes the nerves in the cartilage to shatter, making it more painful than it should be for the person involved and prolonging healing time! This type of trauma to the ear is similar to what boxers endure in the ring and can cause cauliflower ear, where the cartilage comes apart from the tissue supplying it with nutrients and dies, causing deformed swelling resembling a cauliflower.
Even the manufacturers of the guns recommend not using them anywhere except ear lobes!
Other piercers regularly have to deal with covering up or repairing the blunders that guns and the undertrained people that use them produce: Misplaced jewellery, wonky piercings, embedded jewellery and infections are just a few of the issues we regularly see but we’re not the only ones dealing with this! The NHS see people with piercing problems on an increasingly regular basis and our doctors often don’t have time to deal with self inflicted problems such as piercing which usually results in the piercing just being removed. The frequency of these botched piercings are now also beginning to place a massive strain on the NHS. (BBC article source.)
The manufacturers of the ear piercing gun have tried to address some of the issues I have mentioned by releasing a piercing gun which is operated by a squeeze-handle rather than a coiled spring. The gun consists of a non-disposable squeezeable handle and a fully disposable jewellery casing and gun nozzle in one, the design of the gun means that no part of the reusable gun handle comes into contact with the skin.
This radically reduces the contamination problems from the other gun model as everything that comes into contact with flesh is sterile and thrown away after use but since the handle is still reused it does not eliminate the issue altogether because any contact from the hand touching the handle to the piercing site can potentially still transfer contaminates left behind from previous piercings. In a small study BME found that the guns often became ‘locked’ after firing, facilitating the need to touch the piercing site in order to remove the gun and instigating the contamination problem.
The ‘push-force’ method of the gun puts less pressure onto flesh, and so is suitable to be used in cartilage piercing as well as lobe piercing and because the stud can be lined up against the hole (rather than a gun nozzle) the placement issues should also be resolved. However it still takes a lot of force to get the stud through the tissue, so extra damage is still caused by the blunt stud being forced through - kind of like trying to push a nail into wood by hand, it will go in eventually but it’s likely to cause the wood to splinter under the pressure as it does so.
Really however, I feel this only actually begins to address a few of the problems I’ve listed above. The jewellery in these guns is still generic, the people using these guns undertrained, not working in hygienic situations or with the right blood borne pathogens training and the blunt stud still causes the same bruising and damage to flesh, still has a butterfly back and still comes in cheap plated jewellery forms. In some circumstances the spring loaded gun also doesn’t actually manage to get all the way through the flesheither and can leave the stud half in - a problem which an undertrained person may not be able to deal with very well.
These guns have also been manufactured with jewellery for other piercings, such as the nose, which is shaped (in my opinion) rather ridiculously. The nostril studs, for example, are straight which is uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time as you cannot close your nostril without the jewellery digging into the sensitive septum tissue on the other side, particularly painful when the stud is also pointed like a pin! The studs are also 1.2mm on the ball end and taper out to 1.6mm on the far end so that they stay in. When it comes to take out the stud the piercing has healed around the smaller end, meaning to get the wider end out you have to (often painfully) widen the piercing hole. This causes the piercing to be reopened in many cases as the fistula will be too weak to withstand the stretching. This is particularly worrying because the stud is likely to drag nasal debris through the reopened hole as it goes!
What’s awful? Horrible infection; why you shouldn’t take out an infected piercing and why you should seek medical advice as soon as possible.
I think EVERYONE needs to see this. As she says in the info, the doctors said that the PIERCER was the reason, since he had unsterile equipment, and no amount of perfect aftercare could have stopped it. This is why we make sure our piercer is safe, clean and sterile. This infection could have killed her. Sterile equipment when piercing is so important, i can’t stress it enough.
The biggest and most important difference is respect.
Respect for the people being tattooed.
Respect for all other tattooists.
Respect for the industry.
Respect for the art form.
Respect for an industry that even now is dominated by gangs and bikies and associated with meth production? I know artists whose lives have been threatened just for practicing what is a “bikie trade”. This is in Australia mind you (where there is a dire lack of practicing talent - not saying it doesn’t exist, but it’s hard to find). Just saying, people get tattoos for all different reasons and sometimes going to a clinical shop and being tattooed by someone you don’t know, who doesn’t care about your or your design at all, isn’t the right experience. Obviously if you are after a professional tattoo you go to a professional tattoo artist, but I will forever defend the stick and pokers, the DIY and homejob tatts, and the apprentice artists who have to learn their trade somehow. No point in getting all high and mighty over someone else’s choices, someone else’s tattoos, and ultimately, someone else’s body.
The tattoo industry I’m firmly familiar with is dominated by nice people supporting their families through doing what they want. Entrepreneurs running successful businesses all whilst doing what they love. Lovely people who are friendly and caring.
Also, I’ll just assume you’re okay with defending the transmission of hepatitis C, HIV/AIDS, staph infections, and then that you’re okay with people operating totally illegally, which would kind of contradict your statement about not having respect for meth production, which is also illegal.
We get high and mighty because idiots who are ruining other people’s bodies are ruining our industry, all whilst spreading disease and malpractice.
Parents choose to pierce their baby’s ears for a variety of reasons. Some parents pierce their baby’s ears because they believe it’s less painful at such a young age. Others pierce for more practical reasons – It solves gender identification problems in girls. Plus, strangers on the street won’t mistakenly assume a girl baby is actually a boy. The little diamond studs tell it all.
Hung out with my friend the other day who is 18, I'll be 16 in 2 weeks, he brought along his 20 year old modified friend who decided to argue about piercings with me. Telling me that taping your ears was bad... o.o and then proceeded to say that he stretches up with silicone. I scolded him and with a shrug he said "only half sizes". That awkward moment when you know more about stretching than a 20 year old...
A good example of the fact that age isn’t a good representation of one’s intelligence or knowledge.
Blowouts are a lot easier to get than people make it seem. Stretching isn't a race, so what if you're friends ears are bigger than yours.
Forever this. Blowouts aren’t a rare occurrence when stretching fast at all. It’s almost become the norm, unfortunately.
Another thing with grinds my gears is that people assume those with smaller lobes know less. Maybe they have a job, like a teacher or medical professional? Maybe they prefer the aesthetic? Maybe they just fancy staying small. That’s what annoys me most, when people with huge ears automatically assume they know more than others because ‘I HAV BIGGAR GAUGEZ SO I NO MORE BRAH’.
seriously, suck a dick. You guys are pretentious as fuck.
Because we’re educating the masses against dangerous self piercing? Educating against dangerous people who tattoo from home? Educating those who cannot stretch properly into looking after their lobes?
We’re professional piercers. We aren’t pretentious, we’re educating. Whilst we can be total assholes, we reserve all right to be, when you deal with the amount of shit we get on a daily basis. We have our views. If you have such an issue with education, go tell your teachers or professors that they’re pretentious for knowing so much about a single subject, go tell everyone in the world who knows a lot about a subject to suck a dick.
HEY, EVERYONE WHO KNOWS SOMETHING, IT’S APPARENTLY TIME FOR US TO SUCK DICKS NOW!
Jesus Christ some people are idiots.
I’d love to know how we are pretentious just by telling the truth about modification… We do not claim to possess all knowing all mighty ultimate grand supreme knowledge, we just tell the honest truth.
Also, we’ve admitted to our mistakes plenty of times (ie, the septum/nosejob confusion) and were pretty damn gracious about that.